Board Thread:Suggestions/@comment-24108228-20140529230656/@comment-24108228-20140601082959

Firstly, I want to sort out a misunderstanding. NoBanana wrote: If you vote the last one I want a reason otherwise I'll disregard it. I have a feeling we have sock-puppets that people made so they could post "BURN ET DOWN" in all the polls. You're making me laugh, that's you, you just described yourself. You even said that you criticise people's opinions and suggestions. So like, you're describing yourself in here. '''I believe you misread my post. If you notice what I just highlighted, you shall find I have made it more clear what I meant. I was pointing out that in every single poll, no matter what the community response, there is always at least one answer saying "BURN ET DOWN", and so I decided to take measures against whoever is using an alt account to do this from doing so. Now that's out the way, on with the text wall! :D

Preliminary Comments
"It has to have a use" and "It has to add something into the game" rather than just squish the 'Hunger being a problem' further into the dirt. But... I can pass the Cheif suggestion test. In fact, I already explained it in my post... It allows you to create foods through farming without a long and tedious cooking process and become a chef without going through long and painful crafting chains, adding a significant amount of gameplay.

Far from squishing hunger further into the dirt, it helps pull it back out. It encourages players to use more of a variety of foods with more legitimate effort-hunger values, through enticing players into the cooking and farming skill with an amusing and non-tedious to create reward, and once they're there, they have the skills to make foods like apple pie, and so they decide not to spawnkill cows because they went through the effort of the cooking levelling process, and therefore want to reap the other rewards. Now here is my second point, it's a copy of the last thread you made. It's just talking about Hunger, you have to talk about other things. Anyways, the idea will fail, I want it to die. DIE NEAR ME NOW IDEA OR I'LL KILL YOU MYSELF WITH MY WORDS (Instead of 'With my Knife'). '''Well that's a tad harsh. Let's pretend you didn't say that.''' So what's the problem? Why do I have to talk about other things? Hunger is awesome, and I feel it should be made more realistic and problematic. It doesn't really mean too much. For a game called "Survival 303", it's not really focused on the survival aspect that much. I see no problem here, this may be a food suggestion, similar to another food suggestion I have made, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a food suggestion. It's stupid, I know I'm just simulating what I said in the TL;DR and what I said in point two, but I don't seem to care about this idea or how it's actually formed. As it lacks many points. And if not, then it lacks information, recipes, requirements. I don't get what your trying to say. You don't care about the suggestion? You don't care about the creation of this suggestion? I haven't put in enough information?

Cocoa Pod
You didn't actually specify many details, is it edible? What's the exact location of the trees? Other stuff need fixing, the farming should be raised. The Chocolate itself is really over-powered. I suggest raising to Farming skill of Seven. Well, I put in the hunger restoration values for all the other edible items. I assumed you could join the dots and realise this was inedible. Guess I should be more exact. For the exact location thing, why is it so necessary? If I was thinking of somewhere hard to get to (teraphyx cliffs) I probably would have mentioned, and the lack of space on the two islands gives a good idea of how much there is.

For your farming buff, I do see your point, but the vast majority of people say no to a skill level change, making you the minority. Of all skills farming is really the hardest to theoretically "Train in an instant", owing to how you have to wait for your crops to grow. Honestly if this was implemented I would be fine with a level buff, but if I change the farming skill requirement I now have 7 people unhappy instead of one. Your the minority, so I'm going to have to go with the majority.

Cocoa Beans
But no to the size, lets make it 2x4x2. The original size of a Cocoa Pod, the one that you suggested. Why? How does that achieve anything? A cocoa pod isn't just a lump of cocoa beans stuck together, the majority is casing. I don't see much point other than an excuse to complain (because to be honest, a lot of these points just scream that).

Chocolate in General
Four varieties? Heck, what are you talking about. This will take Chocolate to more of a "FarmN'Cook2Win", and also squishes the 'hunger being a problem' further into the dirt. This will be more like the Bread varities, the Cheese varieties... etc, and the list goes on. So like, no. I also suggest the Milk Chocolate and the Drinking Chocolate removed. What's the problem? It's adding more variety. Some people have more milk than cocoa beans, some people aren't in a position to collect milk (atop desert mountain), and beverages needs an addition, as all the current ones are terrible. How this squishes hunger being a problem into the dirt is beyond me.

You people appear to be under the impression that any good food is the death of hunger. Having variety is encouraging players to learn to use the cooking skill instead of overpowered stuff that nature provides. If they see that milk is required in bulk for the good food, and they have no milk, they will most likely decide not to pursue cooking. If they find that the novelty item of their dreams has an alternative that allows them to create it with less/no milk, that will encourage them to pursue the cooking skill and become less reliant on cheaty methods of food creation. Not only are we adding more foods, but we are fixing that problem Cheif pointed out at the start. There is no incentive. With variety, we now have that incentive. By removing that incentive because you thought it made the food too easy to get, you've gone backwards. You've made it less effective.

Now, onto the actual chocolates. I hope I don't break the wikia data-storage limit.

Dark Chocolate
Because well, dark chocolate does not actually taste good in real life. It is not sugary, which means the fact that we have to lower the Hunger it gives.

If the Cocoa Pod is edible, then it should have about 25 Hunger points at max, since it's found naturally. Second, you just keep turning the SAME thing into other stuff over and over, it is pointless. But it the same time it gives more Hunger! So like, I see what you did them. You mixed the real small edible stuff that gives 25 Hunger points with black majik (nothing), POOF! Comes out 150 Hunger.

If I'm going to give constructive criticism. And last but not least, the hunger it gives should be lowered to atleast 100 Hunger points over-all. So the recipe would be;

Cocoa Beans + Cocoa Beans + Cocoa Beans + Cocoa Beans + (ADD SOMETHING YOU WANT) > Create Item = Dark Chocolate Cooking 6 Ok, this will probably be the longest of the four text walls.

Firstly, the lack of sugar in dark chocolate does not mean that it would be 33% less effective than what I made it out to be. Vegetables don't have sugar, but they're pretty good for you. Neither does bread. Look at that. Dark chocolate still contains quite a bit of sugar, it's only less sweet because you take the milk out (hence the recipe). So your point about realism doesn't really work.

For your point about turning the same thing over and over, your really just nit-picking now. That is effectively the definition of every single cooking recipe, taking ingredients and making them into something that fulfils more hunger than the ingredients do. For the "Extra Ingredient" that you couldn't be bothered to think of, I want to point out that there is no extra ingredient. Unless you want to revolutionise the game with a ton of new chocolate related items (we can re-name the game "Chocolate Making 303"!), you will be unable to add that new item, as no such item exists. Dark chocolate is just what I gave you, chocolate without the milk, and extra cocoa beans. There is no special ingredient that can fill that slot. For your point about increasing the cooking level, I would agree with such a change if the community wanted it, but the community doesn't. Again, you are the minority.

Finally, for the decrease in hunger restoration, I don't want to make the three forms of chocolate too different. And 100 hunger is far too low. This food is remarkably hard to mass produce, each tree in your harvest gives you a single chocolate, and the trees are hard to get the skill levels for. If you look at wheat as an example, each patch in the wild must be worth at least 800 hunger in bread, and they typically spawn in groups of three. Each tree of cocoa pods, will not only require a high cooking level, but only restores 150 hunger. Assuming your a nomadic chef who needs food, which is probably the most unlikely adjectives string you could ever see, you could just as easily eat at paradise or kill a cow as you could make some dark chocolate. You need to be a nomadic chef to be able to "Pop over to teraphyx and make some chocolate.", and that's not the sort of person to ever need food. Nomads have access to every food ever, chefs have access to an inventory full of baked goods they made while training their cooking skill, the two kinds of people simply do not need to make chocolate. Farmers do.

Chocolate
Firstly, I'm going to compare this to real life, and see what happens. Chocolate is actually bad in real life, some people of different audiences may have problems with Chocolate. Actually people of all ages enjoy it, but it still gives some bad stuff, such as the teeth hurting. Comparing this to the game would be like this;

Hunger per Portion: 50 Hunger Points Given: 150 Health Loss: 10 per Portion So no, just no. But let me give it some constructive criticism.

So the final thing would be like this;

Cocoa Beans + Cocoa Beans + Cocoa Beans + Cocoa Beans + Milk > Create Item = Chocolate Cooking 6 Hunger points Given: 150 For the point about health going down, your implying that eating 4 bars of chocolate would be more than enough to kill you. Hmm. I'm going to go with my gut instinct here.

Furthermore, if you look at other unhealthy foods, such as pie, the various juices (they corrode your teeth, just like chocolate does), and meat, the unhealthyness doesn't seem to show. The only eat healthy message 303 was capable of putting across is that carrots are mildly good for you. Clearly fattening and teeth damaging foods are not considered to be a health hazard in this game.

Increasing the cost is an idea, though do bear in mind that dark chocolate contains more cocoa than regular chocolate, so any change here would be be amplified there, and 10 cocoa for a dark chocolate would be pretty excessive. As for cooking levels, that has already been established, and considering you have to travel right across the map for this stuff (assuming you already have the levels), I feel the hunger is just fine.

Milk and Drinking Chocolate
I'm too lazy to comment Meh, I'll wait then.

Why it Should Be Added
I'm now criticising a side note... lol'd You sure are. I don't think there is much to say here. WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!?!? I WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU FOR SAYING THAT, I SWEAR! Oh. That's a shame. Could you give me something I can write a text wall on now? Firstly, I don't get the whole concept of the "Farmer's Thriving" thingy. Any farmer, without Cocoa Pods or not, can easily master the farming skill and get it to Eleven easily. Second, a cook can master his arts without having to have the farmers bring him the Cocoa Pods. Because still, there are another foods, and one of them is called "Pie" and it So let's sum this up. The Cocoa Pods needs Farming skill level of five to re-plant, and it also needs level four or more to make something from. While the pies only need like Cooking skill of three to make Berry Pie, now let me introduce you to the Berry Pie. A food item which needs cooking level of three, and replinishes the same Hunger points that the level four Choclate does, which is 150 Hunger points. How come! Black Majik! Hope you don't mind me correcting you on the numbers.

Now, you appear to have completely ignored the point I was trying to get across. In fact, your actively using what I'm trying to fix as your argument as for why my idea wouldn't work. The cocoa bean is a farmers alternative to cooking, as it requires things that take higher levels, but function much faster, so that the farmer doesn't have to spend all their time doing all the long craft chains for dough and such. It's an alternative. A way for a farmer to double as a cook, and finally bring together the two skills that were meant for each other, farming and cooking.

Sure, pies are one way of making food, but they require lots of tedious and time consuming crafting, something a farmer often has no time for because they have crops to tend to, so they just scratch the farming process and live off the land. If they're not in a position to do so, an alternative approach I commonly see is just skip the cooking part and eat the apples off the tree. The skills cannot be done together, and considering they're effectively made for each other, I see no reason why this should be the case. So I made a hard to get but easy to craft foodstuff, that requires both high farming and cooking. Just go kill all the cows at Mainland, one go... and you got a food supply, which supplies you for an hour, keep doing it. Now after you do this, you'll just make some extra stuff (Pies, Choclate) and trade it... This is what we're trying to avoid happening. People wont kill cows if they can make good food from where they are. By encouraging them to be cooks and farmers (see paragraph two of chocolate in general), we are leading them away from cheaty methods, and into more legitimate and fun ways of food creation. My post counters this. WHAT IS THE FREAKING POINT OF CHOCLATE IF YOU STILL CAN KILL THE COW BOTH WAYS?!?!?!? Chocolate is more fun, doesn't require tools, can be created without milk, restores more hunger, makes for better trading items, and many other perks. Plus, I intend on trying to get beef nerfed, so it wont be as godly and OP. You cant deny it is ruining hunger.

I snipped your posts to avoid making this too long and repetitive. If your going to be lazy and just quote this post and add extra bold comments, please do likewise.